Blogs are so romantic this time of year.
Engagements, anniversaries, family trips, backyardy stuff full of sweatshirts and skinned knees and fireflies.
Swoon, swoon, swoon.
Dave told me that a friend of his is proposing to his girlfriend today, and the guy needed Dave's help.
Really?
Is a dude supposed to help another dude ask his chick to marry him?
Turns out Dave just needed to hold on to some Asti and flutes. Champagne glasses. Not musical instruments. That would be over the top. Not that champagne isn't ridiculously corny in itself, but whatever, says the girl who only likes whiskey straight and neat.
Excuse me, barkeep? There is something floating in my whiskey and it makes it taste funny.
Yes, Lora. That's ice. That's how people generally like things.
Long time listeners know that I am anti-romantic, so no one should be surprised when I say that this kind of stuff makes me want to puke in my mouth a little bit.
Do you know what I think is disgusting and archaic and sexist?
Here we go...
Surprise engagements.
The kind where the girl has no clue about anything and then all of a sudden there is a ring that she has never seen before shoved in her face like it's some type of County Fair Blue Ribbon and she is the Prize Pig.
As if an engagement is always timely, as long as it's convenient for the man.
As if every female over the age of consent is just biding her time waiting for a ring.
As if that is the most important thing in her life, above education, above career, above self.
As if she has zero say in any of it.
As if she may not have a preference in metals and stone size, shape, type, style, and setting.
As if of course the answer is yes! I'm just a girl! What else could I possibly want out of life?
As if it's cute and funny and manly to just string a girl along and make her drop hints while she waits and waits and waits and waits for that ring, and assume that she will do so forever because you are such a great catch.
As if it's cute and funny and manly to prematurely ask her to marry you and assume that she will do so because you are such a great catch.
As if.
And the thing about asking her dad?
Don't get me started.
When I got engaged I was a growedassed adult.
My dad had no say in what I did by then.
He certainly didn't have the authority to tell my boyfriend that he could marry me before I even knew there was an intention to ask ME if I wanted to get married.
My dad never had a say in what Dave does.
Have you ever tried to tell Dave what to do? Try it.
Let me know how that turns out for you.
Such billshut.
I'm such an angry little person.
I don't know why.
But I do love telling you about it.
I feel like I should apologize, but I just get really riled up when I think that someone is getting the short end of the stick. And unfortunately in our twisty weird society, I think that women get that short end way too often.
And when we don't want the June Cleaver life? We are discriminated against.
And when we do? We are discriminated against.
And when we aren't sure? Well, how can you not be sure? This is the second half of 2009. Get with it.
Can someone please tell me a very romantic, very even-keeled engagement story so I can get the half dozen that I've heard lately out of my head? So I can replace the image of a recently-engaged co-worker's face who admits that she isn't ready for marriage but she will do it anyway because everyone expects her to replaced by something loopier? And erase from my corneas the screen of the computers here that are permanently set to bluenile.com because she can't wait for him to finally ask her but she doesn't have the tits to ask him to marry her or even bring up talks of it so she just designs dreamrings for herself all day with her co-workers? I am so tired of smelling the desperation over there.
My engagement story?
We moved in together junior year of school because we were total bffs and it would be stupid and fiscally irresponsible to have two apartments or live with our dirty trippy college friends in substandard off campus housing.
We figured we would probably get married someday, so there was talk of an engagement.
I wanted an engagement dog.
I got a diamond ring.
I wonder if that dog would've been dead by now? It's been quite awhile, and I only like big dogs but they only live but so long.
I still have the ring, but it's too big. The band part. There is no such thing as a too big diamond, am I right ladies? Hello? Blood diamonds. Child labor. Sparkley.
We told our parents a few weeks later, at Christmastime.
We got married a couple years later.
There was much discussion and debate before a ring was purchased and a wedding date was set between two consenting adults so we were both happy and all wishes and hopes and dreams and swoony stuff was respected and honored.
That's how I like things in my house.
Now tell me about how you like things in yours.
Maybe next time I'll tell you my opinion on using the word fiance/fiancee.
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HEHE Lora, I had to giggle a bit at some of your wording.
Heres mine - Chris moved in with me , the week after we started dating. We just clicked. Eventually we talked about marriage, but it was still a surprise to have received my ring. Obviously he had been thinking of it awhile, because he had it specially made .
He gave it to me one night at his grandparents house with only his aunt in attendance.
Then he drove me to my parents house so mom and I could gush and coo over it - then we went home and made some nice memories of our own.
that wasn't too sickening for you was it?
I did have a surprise engagement, but only after I had found the claim slip for a "ldes dmnd rng" in Bill's wallet by accident. We dated on again/off again before that. Mostly on at the end though....or else getting married would have been silly. Bill asked my Daddy's blessing only after he had proposed stating that "I didn't need anyone's permission...I don't listen anyway".
So it was romantic and unique at the same time.....and would totally make you throw up.
Don't get me wrong...I knew that Kevin was planning on proposing...I had picked out my ring, I just didn't know when I was going to get it. We had been living together for 4 years by this time. He's not a romantic guy...the first time he proposed (3 months into dating) we were sitting in the sears parking lot. I laughed at him. And I didn't feel terrible that I laughed at him. He was just obsessed with my vagina at that point...not all of me yet. He still gets mad when we talk about the botched proposal. I still laugh. And if he hadn't consulted with me on the ring, there would be no engagement...he likes the totally 80's styles with marquis cuts and swirling patterns. I have a simple oval solitare set in a wide white gold band...not even close to what he likes...damn it its MY ring.
oh yeah, people fall in love with my vagina all the time...
I picked out my ring and my father was never consulted, either. Steve probably would have done so just to be polite, but it never even occurred to either one of us! The delivery of the ring was a surprise, but I was pretty much in the know about everything else.
lora, i adore you for saying this. among so many other things you say. surprise engagements are just retarded and upsetting and i knew a woman who waited 7 years for her boyfriend to propose to her - even telling him "if you ever wanted to propose to me, i'd be ready" but without, as you say, having the tits to do it herself and it made me so fricking upset.
i have two friends who decided that they really love each other and so they mutually decided to get married after several years of dating and their announcements said "w. & j. - it's about damned time." i liked that a lot.
marriage as an institution is sold to us for all the wrong reasons, and i believe that in this Day And Age if a person thinks they want to marry their partner but they've never discussed it and explored their mutual feelings about marriage, well, then, they're not ready to take it on and they should look into getting a houseplant instead.
We'd been together for 5 years, but on opposite coasts for one. The night I flew back to NY after finishing up school, he spontaneously asked me to marry him, in front of the refrigerator, no ring... until he remembered his mom's ring in the other room.
I like to think he was overwhelmed by my beauty after being on a plane for 6 hours, then a bus, then a trek through humid Manhattan, but maybe he was just overwhelmed by having been in NY alone for a year.
Anywhoo, we got married at NY City Hall, because we're romantic like that, and having to wear a big white dress in front of a hundred + folks that are all gathered in one spot to think about how long my marriage will last makes me puke in my mouth just a little bit ;)
I went to the pawn shop & picked up two gold bands.
You know, I never really thought about engagements from that angle before. I see your points and why it makes you angry. I'm angry about a lot of things, too. But this isn't one of them. Maybe it's just my upbringing, but I have a very traditional sense of male/female relationships. I don't mind being asked. I'd rather be me than him, frankly, having to shell out $7,000 for a diamond engagement ring. If I can accept the tradition of him buying the ring than I can accept the tradition of him "popping" the question, the excitement of not knowing when that will be. It made me feel special. And the whole asking the Dad thing...I don't think it is really about asking permission. It used to be. But now I think it is more about showing respect to the man that raised the woman you are going to marry. It's a tradition, a ritual. Todd asked my dad for my hand, but if my dad had said "No", I'm sure Todd would have asked me anyway. My dad felt really special and glad to be asked. Did your Dad "give you away" at your wedding? I'm just curious. Some consider that indicative of the woman being a possession but I think that it's just a tradition, a demonstration of girl to womanhood. And yes I know we don't just become women when we get married but maybe to our dads we do. I can't imagine how hard it is for men to watch their daughters get married...I think it's sweet to give them that special job at the wedding. Ok. I'm done. Maybe I'm completely wrong about all of this. I'm always wrong.
Ummm...I'm a loser because I didn't even know when my husband proposed. We were working in the park, gorgeous day, when I said isn't this a beautiful day and place to get married (it just was). He said yes.
I wasn't hinting, just making observation, but I think he thought this as a cue. He asked me to marry him and because of the conversation we were having, I laughed and asked "Are you serious?". He was, but still didn't believe him so I didn't answer and just said something like 'ha, ha'.
The following night while watching t.v. it struck me that he could have been serious, so I asked if he was sincere with the question and he said yes. I responded with "Oh, okay." Again, no answer.
I guess I imagined the proposal to have more to it - no ring, no on one knee. I didn't expect it would follow my observation about the weather being a great day for an outdoor wedding.
Two days later, I'm talking with co-worker and relayed the story. She called me an ass because I didn't believe him. So, like a dork, I called him again and asked was that a real proposal and he said YES. I said, "oh, do you want my answer?" - he said "no and he wanted to ask me again in such a manner that I knew he was serious".
Later after work, he came over, looked me straight in the eyes and asked. I said yes. I also found out that he hadn't gotten the ring because he was afraid I might say no - hmmmm...I wonder why he had that fear.
We ended up getting married in the park where he first asked the question. The weather was as great as the day he proposed. Funny thing...reception/ceremony started at 2:00, I mentioned we'd wait till 2:20 to have the ceremony so people could get their first drink and to make sure any late strays didn't make an issue during the ceremony. Anyway, he forgot I said 2:20 and called me at 2:00 to find out where I was.
My story is not exactly a romantic one. It's one that I don't often talk about...
I was in Hawaii on vacation with my boyfriend of 3 years who looked at me and said "I guess we better get married, huh?"
No ring on bended knee, no "surprise engagement" although there was one surprise.
I said "I think not, because I don't like the way you said that" and then I went lay down to stop the dry heaves.
I eventually said yes, but we never got married until 3 years later. It's not that I didn't want to get married. I had a few other things going on like a full blown renovation of our house oh...and having 2 kids. It's fun explaining why my kids are in my wedding photo. "sorry, Mommy didn't want to spend money on a wedding, she was tearing the house apart"
At this time I don't regret a thing, sure it would have been nice to have this happen in the correct order but it didn't.
I picked out my own ring. My father is not someone that we speak to.
The only person who I was worried about was my mother in law. I felt like I really let her down. I apologized one day in the event that my decisions embarrassed her. She said the nicest thing that any one has ever said to me. She said "When I met you I prayed that you would be my son's wife and the mother of my grandchildren. I never specified in what order." I never felt bad again after that.
By the way we made a small fortune when we sold that house so giving up the big wedding wasn't so bad after all...didn't hurt a bit. I laugh at this...now...
Sorry if this was TMI...
god have mercy on the man who thinks it's a good idea to ask ANYBODY other than me if we can get married.
LOL we had been living together almost 2 years. We were both exhausted and working 50-60 hours a week. We saw each other in the car as we shuttled each other back and forth to work because we only had 1 car. Oh the romance. I worked at the outlet mall, and he in a warehouse. Granted we had pretty things on the real cheap because it was a Lenox warehouse, but I digress.
I knew he was saving for a diamond. I didn't care about the diamond. I bought 2 wedding bands on my lunch hour one day at work. Went home, I forget how dinner transpired, but after some kickass sex I said I had a present for him and showed him his band. He said "OK, let's do it," and 3 weeks later we did.
He said we had enough money for a ring, a wedding, or a honeymoon. I chose the honeymoon, and we had fun. We drank, we laid on the beach, we lounged in bed by the fireplace, we walked the boardwalk in the pouring rain. I wouldn't trade any of it for the world.
We had discussed marriage and I had pointed out a ring I thought was cute....One nite as I was taking the frozen veggies out of the microwave, hubby popped the question with the same type ring I had liked! Yeh--- it just fdon't get any more romantic than frozen green beans and 1.5 carats!
Here's my downer of an engagement story...DH's dad died 11 days before so he totally wasn't into it. He had been planning on it and regretted not telling *his* Dad. yadda yadda yadda....went to dinner at Brigid's, took a walk to the art museum, I totally spied the ring box in his pocket because he's just that unsmooth and he proposed on the art museum steps. We got married two months later...
My husband and I became engaged over the course of a conversation. I know that waiting for a man to complete you with that big dazzling ring isn't what marriage is all about - yet sometimes I wish he had made more of a fuss and used a proposal as a chance to make me feel special!
David and I had been dating for 4 years. AND we'd already bought a house together. So...it's kinda hard to be surprised by an engagement after that. However, I did pick between 2 diamonds - one that was his mothers (she got a new one) and one that was his grandmothers (who died at almost 103). David thought it would be nice to make my own setting out of the diamond I chose but I really liked his grandmothers setting because it was so unique so we kept it and I have her ring with a nice diamondy wedding band of my own to go with it. The end.
You don't want my sappy engagement on the slopes story. Its sweet though. I dig it. I will say I had just decided shortly before Rob asked that I would tell him I to ask me to marry him soon. But I wanted to be asked. Also, I'd mentioned thinking there was no reason to get married since I'm not much for the whole god/jesus thing and don't think I need a bearded man's permission, prayers, or blessing to spend the rest of my life with someone. But at a certain point, I decided I did want to get married. That the formality did mean something for me.
Anyway, sometimes instead of saying "I love you" I ask Rob to marry me. He laughs but everyone likes to be asked that question. Even if they're already married to the person asking.
These stories are terrific! Mine is totally uneventful. After two years of living together I rolled over one morning and said "I want to be married, or I want to be free." Now that's really romantic! So he said, "okay, let's get married." We bought matching gold bands, told the parents, and were married six months later.
I've never told this to anyone.
We were standing in his bathroom looking at the pregnancy test and he hugged me and said, "I guess I should marry you now, huh?"
It was funny. Sort of. We laughed. We got married anyway.
Can't resist weighing in on this one...
We had been dating for not-quite-a-year, and lived together for just a month (to save rent) prior to my going to London for a month for a college program. Returning, I flew back late into JFK, just missing the last connecting flight to PHL. So I rented a car and drove back to Philly in the wee hours, rather than spend another night apart. When I landed, we stayed up for hours talking and by the end of the conversation we were engaged. Went ring shopping together that weekend.
Great post, great stories from your fans.
We had been together for more than 5 years, living together for 4. Abe decided rather spontaneously to join the Army, in which case we could "milk" more money out of them if we were married. Technically he proposed to me over the phone as he was signing his life away (to the Army)...married at the JP about two weeks later...36 hour honeymoon, 12 of which were spent driving...less than a week later he shipped out for Basic Training. No engagement ring, no asking Daddy for a hand. In fact, my plain, gold wedding band was an unclaimed lost and found item from Target. We bought his at Mervyn's for $40. Even if we had had the time and money to spend on a big wedding, there's no way in hell I would do it. The way I see it, that money would be better spent elsewhere.
But for the record, I cry at weddings, go figure!
i love your engagement story :) ours was waking up in bed one day and him saying, 'hey, do you want to get married when you're done with school?' me, 'ok, sure, whenever.'
eventually i got the custom-made ring i had designed by the jewler and we were married on the ocean in antigua about four months after that question. no friends, no family, just us. i wouldn't change it for the world.
We moved in together with our band mates in a big West Philly house after being together for 6 months in cough cough 1992. We were not too sure but it worked. Fast forward 8 years. We almost broke up in the fall. I was back in college after 8 years touring with our punk band and I forced him to think about what he wanted to do when he grew up and he is mega resistant to change. By winter his step father died and it really upset him. He was well on his way to getting to what he wanted to do for a career someday and was in school. We had talked about marriage a couple of times and he always was not ready but he was as committed to me as much as he could be to anyone. I was ok with that because we were great together and a ring would not change that.
Between Christmas and New Year I was working at Mcg's. He was coming in to work the door. He walked in and proclaimed. I love you so much. I want to marry you, I am ready. I said can we talk about this after we get off of work?? I barely remember the rest of my shift. What a cool New Years 2000 we had running around town telling everyone we were getting married.
We got married 2 months later. I in a black dress in my sisters living room with 35 guests.
Perfect for us...........
Just this year I am married longer than we co-habitated!
I won't tell you my story, because it has a few elements that you have said you do not appreciate. It's not puke inducing romance, but it was entirely unexpected.
I do remember dancing with my now husband at a friend's wedding, and you and Dave were dancing next to us. You guys had probably been married a month or two, I'm not sure, and you leaned over to us and said "you guys are next!"
That made me incredibly nervous, as neither one of us was ready yet. I'm sure I stammered some stupid reply, but I still remember that moment. He and I had been dating for five years, and all of our friends who had been together that long (or less) were getting married, but we just weren't there yet. It didn't take us much longer (I think we got engaged about 6 months later).
in high school a friend told me how her parents got engaged- talking in the car one day- no ring, no "popping" the question, etc... i knew then that that's how i wanted to get engaged. and god help the man that tries to buy me a diamond...
I have a boring, but awesome, engagement story. I'll tell you at lunch.
Aww- I love at least a little sap and tradition!
He took me to dinner at our favorite place- the now defunct "El Cheapo Luncho" (dinner was cheap too). He couldn't eat the whole time & told me he had to stop at my house to pick up another pair of socks. His had briars in them. WTF???
Anywhoo- once at my house we got out of the car and before I realized he was standing in front of me with a ring. The spot was where we had our 1st kiss.
Hmm- cheap dinner, bad socks and a proposal. Could have been worse!
I said yes and we headed to the bar that was our 1st date- only to find all of our friends there waiting to see the ring and say congrats!
We're almost at year 10- and we still laugh about the briars.
Oh my does my engagement story suck horrifically. Suck, suck, suck. Tom and I had been dating a total of six weeks when we went to a wedding together. The wedding was tacky beyond belief. Big white dress, eight bridesmaids, 2 year old son wearing a tux and being the ring bearer. It was bad. A week after the wedding we were taking a walk and Tom asked me "If we were to get married what would you like for a wedding?" By the time we got back to my parent's house we were engaged. But I wasn't allowed to tell my parents because his parents were in Europe and wouldn't be back for a week. No ring, no announcement, no asking my dad for "permission", no nothing romantic. It sucked. I cried because it felt like I had forced him into it. Then I had to wait two months for him to finally buy a ring. Since you know what my husband does for a living you will know why I was teased unmercifully by my friends for having no ring and no prospect of one in the near future. Cheapskate.
So to recap -
-Dating six weeks and getting engaged. Sucky engagement story.
-Married 8 months after first date. Everyone thought I was knocked up. That one is funny.
-Just had 12 year anniversary and still nothing romantic happening in my life. Even though I LOVE all things romantic. Oh well.
you are too funny. i love the part about being a growedassed adult.
i used to be romantic and traditional and all that shit. i'm groweded up now and get my romance from books because i know it's very unrealistic in real life.
romance is overrated.
I'm morally opposed to the diamond industry. I also spent a summer in South Africa, amidst staggering poverty.
I was a growedassed adult when I got engaged too. Michael and I also bought a house together a year before getting engaged. My father just said to me "aren't you putting the cart before the horse?"
I think it probably harder to get out of mortgage together than a marriage. I figured if he wanted to spend the next 30 year paying for a house with me that was commitment enough.
Then we we did get engaged he came home one Friday night with sandwiches from WAWA and a engagement ring (which I don't think he got at WAWA but you never know you can buy almost anything there). He just turn to me with the open box and said "here". I was like "what's that?"; he said "an engagement ring". That was pretty much it.
How did I miss this post? It's fantastic (as are the comments)! My hubs and I knew we were going to get married (we had bought a house together) but we planned to get engaged the following summer. He surprised me by popping the question in May, in the DEAD rose garden at Butchart Gardens in Vancouver, B.C. (there b/c he was trying to get away from the hordes of picture snapping tourists). I was still surprised. I cried. It was good.
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