I sat in on a parenting class a few weeks ago and the topic was:
(in jargon)
-improving parents' ability to identify, express, process and manage feelings such as anger, stress, loss, grief and guilt
-increasing parents' understanding of varied approaches to positive parenting including discipline, setting structure, child rearing, conflict resolution and problem-solving
-increasing parents' knowledge of nurturing and responsive parenting interactions, including empathy, caring, and respect for self and others.
(in lay terms)
should you let your boy cry or should you tell him to sack up and be a man?
Those top three things are three of the six objectives of all parenting programs funded under the parenting program for which I work.
That bottom one thing is something that haunts parents of boychildren everywhere.
The class was broken into two parts.
Part one:
Do we let our sons cry? Do we set emotional standards for our boys that we wouldn't hold our daughters to? Are boys allowed to be upset? Emotional? Sad? Weak? Where do we draw the line?
Like most of our classes, the majority of parents were moms with a few dads thrown in. Most admitted to being harsher on their sons than their daughters. The ban on crying starts when their sons are toddlers, some said when their sons are preschoolers, but not many. I'm guessing it's a common age. No matter who you are, where you live.
"It's important that we teach our boys to be men", they said. "We can't raise them in this world to be soft. To be vulnerable. To be pussies."
Part two:
Ladies, what do you look for in a partner? A husband? A male friend?
Hands flew up. Someone who is in touch with himself. Someone who is in touch with me. With my children. With our children. Someone who isn't hard. Isn't grizzled. Isn't street.
Men, what do you wish you would have gotten from your fathers when you were young?
Hands didn't fly up. Eyes teared up.
Understanding
Love
Empathy
Sympathy
Affection
Feeling
Emotion
Patience
Part important:
When are we going to start raising our boys to be the men we wish the men in our lives to be?

16 degrees {comments}:
My eyes teared up too. It's not just the boys who wished they would have gotten all those things from their fathers.
Wonderful post. Thanks.
You're right.
It's not just boys who missed out on that. I asked the teacher why she chose to ask those specific questions to the men and to the women. She said that she's been teaching that subject for 20 years, and she finds that the most effective way to get that point across is to question the women about their men and the men about their fathers. Funny how that strikes the most sensitive nerve.
She said that women are too quick to defend their daddies no matter what and men are too quick to defend their actions and the actions of their peers.
Hmm.
Boy was this post a great one! It made me stop and think about my boys and what they didn't get from their father, and how can I make up for that, if I can.
What a great parenting class, and teacher! Thanks for sharing!
Makes perfect sense to me.
Effing brilliant. Thanks!
We live in a crunchy town and have never had to tell the boys to stop crying, and I'm so glad...they get that from the rest of the world too soon anyway. And I hate hearing other parents telling their kids that. They're little. It ends. (Of course I'm a total hypocrite here, there are other things my kids do that I blow up at that later I realize they will of course grow up out of too.)
My younger son was sobbing about something when we got to gymnastics and I was losing my cool, telling him it was time to go in or time to go and he said, still crying, "I'm trying to happy up!" and I felt like that was the gift to give him, how to get out of crying on his own, without being yelled at to do it.
Did you read this article?
http://thisrecording.com/today/2011/2/22/in-which-we-teach-you-how-to-be-a-woman-in-any-boys-club.html
Clearly, that is aimed more at women - grown women, even - but the last half digs into both (or I guess I should say "two" since there are more than two, really) sides of the gendered equation. But your post made me think about this, from the article:
"Most cool girls are totally fucked up because they are used to guys telling them they are "cool" or "funny" or "smart" and they assume it's a euphemism for "not hot" because they already feel like dudes with boobs. But that's okay because a hundred percent of cool guys are fucked up too and secretly feel like girls with dicks. Straight men are sooooooooo pink inside. They just can't tell you or anyone, because they have been socialized expressly not to. But I just told you you, and now everybody knows."
as well as
"All I ever witness is straight men showing me how miserable they are with the expectations placed on them as men, how much they hate trying to live up to this impossible standard and how unhappy they still are if they manage to succeed. They have a hard time acknowledging there are other modes of being because they are fucking terrified to deviate from the known, even though the known is horrible and hurts them.
"Masculinity" is as damaging to men as "Femininity" is to women. Neither is something to aspire to. Women who understand this are called feminists. Men who understand this aren't called anything yet, but maybe they can just be called feminists too."
GREAT post!!!
Should be required reading for all!
Being a man's man I was going to tell you what was wrong with this post and what was wrong with the instructor but I decided to read it first.
Well said.
Amen! There is nothing wrong with letting little boys cry. Sometimes if my kids (boys and girl) cry over something silly or to get their own way I'll tell them to knock it off, but if they cry because they are genuinely upset I don't try to stop it.
I agree - why not let our sons grow into the men we want our husbands to be? Excellent approach!
My friend's always on about this book she's reading "Bringing up Boys." From what I can tell it's a seriously patriarchal, old school, religious style book, where boys are raised to be "men." She tells me about how it's okay that her boys hit other kids, because the book says that boys are supposed to be more aggressive, and wrestle with their fathers, and punch it out with their friends. It's supposedly normal. I bite my tongue like crazy. It hurts my head to listen to her. She even goes on about this when her son has hit or shoved my daughter (even though she WILL tell him not to). I feel like telling her not to be surprised someday when he slaps his wife when he's mad at her. If we're teaching our boys to be tough and unemotional at all costs, then that's exactly the kind of men we're training them to be.
There is so much wrong with old-school sometimes.
Right. Whining with tears about cookies or bedtime or television is NOT acceptable. Crying because your feelings are hurt or the dog died or something real, is totally acceptable.
God help the person who tells my boys to suck it up and be a man.
A boy without a teardrop is a boy without a soul.
Stop and think a moment.
When Columbine happened and students were shooting students, an immediate call went out for "counselors" to handle any and all grief. These teens, male and female, had witnessed incredible horror, with little way to deal with it. Counseling is done with almost every crisis now.
But after World War II, millions of men came home at once as the war ended. These young men did not see students shot.....they DID the shooting, as soldiers at war.
There was no counseling at all, and no teardrops allowed. In the 1950's and 1960's, many a battle went on in homes behind closed doors, alcoholism was an escape, and life as stay at home mom/wife was not what the daughters of that group would ever see for themselves.
They burned their bras!
The next group to do massive war was Vietnam. We learned nothing from WWII (except how to lose), and the soldiers returned drugged and maimed inside themselves.
Contrast that with the post Columbine incident and counseling immediately, to deal with the hazards and stresses of life.
Further, with women in the military at a much greater rate, qualities like empathy and compassion are soaring, and we have soldiers come home no longer forced to suck it up.
Although the Vets Dept is shitty at doing anything for Post Traumatic Stress.
If you want to raise a future sociopath or a misfit, turn off the tears of your child and force them to stay inside the child. They will explode on society later.
I recommend a box of Kleenex in your son's room, as a simple signal that crying is an okay thing to do, and there is a right time and way to express your tears.
Parent onward!!!
And I am gonna cry if you don't start using a title to your posts.
A date is not a title; it is a date. You show up as "Untitled".
Help us!
Keystone, I used to title my posts, but I always think my post titles are so cheesy! Once in awhile I still do, if I can come up with a good one without any effort, otherwise I just hit publish and leave it blank.
I use Google Reader, and it doesn't matter if they are untitled or not, they still show up in the feed, even if there are tons of untitled one in a row.
I wonder if other readers are different?
also, good points.
Sadly, those who were traumatized over the years are the ones who breeded the Columbine kids and the street thugs and the bullies that continue to plague society.
Sometimes it's important to stand back from a situation and look at an offender and say "what happened to you?". It's virtually impossible to raise a healthy child if you are trauma impacted.
Because it is usually something.
And yes, there are plenty of kleenex here. Er, well, rolls of toilet paper.
We let Jake cry. We encourage it, in the appropriate situation. Again, getting only one cookie is not grounds for tears.
I worried that Jake would be branded a "crybaby" at school, but on the contrary. He is able to self-soothe and manage his feelings, and sometimes even the feelings of his peers.
It's amazing what a little Emotional Intellegence in child-rearing will do for a kid.
Thank you Lora.
Be cheesy, not choosy.
I did not express my lament well, and will take a moment here to cry.
(MOMENT)
That's better!
Now, the hassle of no title is not in reading Fever, that comes in fine on RSS, and often, I read your post before anyone has yet to comment.
But commenting on Blogger Platform is a nightmare. It is not just your blog.
But when there is no title, the commentor gets shuffled to a little box with a long line of comments to scroll just to find the combox.
Clicking "Untitled" INSIDE the combox, allows ease of read of comments on the main post.
Be cheesy.
Today would be titled:
Cheers For Some Tears
With Jake, you're a mom.
Here, you're a writer.
The content is well done and easy to read, though some expressions you make, baffle me.
"Go with the flow" is my feeling there.
But commenting is tough without a title....tough to read on the main page.
I also enjoy Oh the Urbanity Blog you make, as I lived over there, where you are, long ago, and it is just as I remember.
Scoot down Rising Sun and snap a few wild shots there.
Or South Street...what a trip!
Blessings to your parenthood days.
I had girls and I think they are harder to raise....because of other girls.
I'm sorry. I forgot how much I love you.
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